I know that UI programs such as EQ2 Maps and log parsers such as ACT are legit. However, recently the topic of crafting 'bots' or automated crafting programs came up in another forum. I was wondering if programs that automate crafting are allowed.

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I remember that several devs have posted in the past that if you use in-game macros or use some types of 3rd party programs while actively monitoring your game you would be legit but allowing such macros or programs to opperate while you were AFK were not. I also remember a rather lively general discussion of this topic several years agos. Alas, I was not able to find it using the search function on this forum. (I probably just didn't guess the right key words ) I would really appreciate if someone from SOE would help clarify what is allowed and what is not. “ I know that UI programs such as EQ2 Maps and log parsers such as ACT are legit. However, recently the topic of crafting 'bots' or automated crafting programs came up in another forum.

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I was wondering if programs that automate crafting are allowed. I remember that several devs have posted in the past that if you use in-game macros or use some types of 3rd party programs while actively monitoring your game you would be legit but allowing such macros or programs to opperate while you were AFK were not. I also remember a rather lively general discussion of this topic several years agos.

Alas, I was not able to find it using the search function on this forum. (I probably just didn't guess the right key words ) I would really appreciate if someone from SOE would help clarify what is allowed and what is not.

”I am fairly certain that as long as you are at the keyboard and able to respond within a reasonable amount of time to a GM tell then you are ok. As long as you are not breaking or bending any other rules, including content monopolization. “ I know that UI programs such as EQ2 Maps and log parsers such as ACT are legit. However, recently the topic of crafting 'bots' or automated crafting programs came up in another forum. I was wondering if programs that automate crafting are allowed.

I remember that several devs have posted in the past that if you use in-game macros or use some types of 3rd party programs while actively monitoring your game you would be legit but allowing such macros or programs to opperate while you were AFK were not. I also remember a rather lively general discussion of this topic several years agos. Alas, I was not able to find it using the search function on this forum.

(I probably just didn't guess the right key words ) I would really appreciate if someone from SOE would help clarify what is allowed and what is not. ”Bot programs and/or anything that allows you to game while leaving your PC unattended are not allowed. A tradeskill program that creates items for you would not be allowed. Using macros in the game is permitted if you are at your PC and actively playing.

For example, a macro used to target a specific player and use a buff, or a macro that announces something in group/raid chat and then triggers a CA, would be allowed. If you take a look at this, which has the EULA for Everquest 2, it states: 'You may not use any software or hardware to alter game play in any way, or to gain benefits from unattended game play' I think that makes it pretty clear.

“ If you take a look at this, which has the EULA for Everquest 2, it states: 'You may not use any software or hardware to alter game play in any way, or to gain benefits from unattended game play' I think that makes it pretty clear. ”While this is true, and a good rule to play. It is difficult for me to imagine a situation in that you are at your PC watching something craft for you and responding to all in game communication that you would get disciplined by GM staff.

But yes, all of these craftbots are a violation and, honestly crafting is so trivial today that I just don't understand why someone would use it. The orriginal crafting system however. Yeah I sorta understand why people did. From the above responses it appears there are two differing points of view. One side says use nothing but simple in-game macros and the other side thinks it is okay to use 3rd party programs as long as the user is actively monitoring the computer.

I tend to side with the later view because of half-remembered dev posts from a few years ago. However, I do think it would be best to have the official SOE view about this stickied in the FAQ section of this forum. The EULA really isn't clear about this situation because of its legalistic language, which is designed to give SOE maximum flexibility to deal with potential abuses. I seem to remember a long but informative post made a long time ago which gave clear examples of what is and what is not allowed but I haven't been able to find it. I really don't understand why anyone would use an automation program except to raise a character up quickly for selling on Livegamer or perhaps to create plat to be sold or to generate plat for use in-game. It just doesn't seem like a fun way to spend time, but then I don't understand why people watch TV or a movie while playing in raids either so perhaps I am not the best judge of what is fun. “ From the above responses it appears there are two differing points of view.

One side says use nothing but simple in-game macros and the other side thinks it is okay to use 3rd party programs as long as the user is actively monitoring the computer. I tend to side with the later view because of half-remembered dev posts from a few years ago. However, I do think it would be best to have the official SOE view about this stickied in the FAQ section of this forum.

The EULA really isn't clear about this situation because of its legalistic language, which is designed to give SOE maximum flexibility to deal with potential abuses. I seem to remember a long but informative post made a long time ago which gave clear examples of what is and what is not allowed but I haven't been able to find it. I really don't understand why anyone would use an automation program except to raise a character up quickly for selling on Livegamer or perhaps to create plat to be sold or to generate plat for use in-game. It just doesn't seem like a fun way to spend time, but then I don't understand why people watch TV or a movie while playing in raids either so perhaps I am not the best judge of what is fun ”Ok, imagine that you are handicaped and really like the idea of EQ2 but have trouble working the controlls in a reasonable amount of time. There are scripting programs out there that can compensate for your lack of abilities that most people take for granted. You can keep up with everybody else in EQ2 as long as you use these tools to compensate for your handicap.

Not allowing those tools to be used in this situation is discriminatory. It effectively banns a small segment of the interested player population from playing the game (and also opens the door to law suits based on such claims). Allowing just these players to use those tools in that situation is also discriminatory and while it is a much weaker basis for making such a claim, someone will waste SOE's time and do it. So SOE decides to keep the lawsuits to a minimum and allows everybody to use various 3rd party programs to aid them with EQ2 as long as they are actually playing the game and actively monitoring their game.

Letting your provisioner run for 18 hours a day constantly churning out t8 food for 50 min and then script buying/selling to replenish your supplies is technically possible but a definate violation of the terms of use and SHOULD get you banned. If you think anyone out there is AFK botting /petition it please, the GMs will talk to them and probably suspend them for a few days. A few more /petitions and that player will be gone.

Let us not forget that the Logitec G15 keyboard has the scripting/macroing function built in, and has been promoted by soe for use with eq2. I'll be totatlly honest here.crafting is trivial.and uber boring. I have 3 PCs running on my desk, and i am very likely to be macroing the craft process while i chat with guildies, and watch a movie on another pc. My point is that nothing is as black and white as 'yes' or 'no'. I would caution anyone who would try to macro the craft process to craft while you're afk. I have been contacted by GMs, and told them i was using a macro, and was warned not to leave it unattended.

SOE wants the player to be playing the game. Programs that play the game for the player, even if the player's monitoring them, are going to be seen by SOE as a TOS violation. Even if it uses purely standard game mechanics it can get you dinged, see for example AFK killing by parking your character at a mob spawn point and setting your pet to protect. My general rules for what's allowed:. Things that react to player actions. Ex.: G15 key macros that issue multiple commands with one keystroke. Multiboxing 'hydras' that route the keystrokes from one keyboard to multiple machines.

Click-to-cure mods. Things that display, or provide an alternate display of, information the game normally makes available or that's external to the game. Ex.: Ventrilo's overlay. An overlay that displays ACT parse data. UI mods that display dynamic data available to but not displayed by the default UI. Things that I'm pretty sure aren't allowed:. Software that monitors the internals of the game and displays information not normally available.

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Ex.: Programs that show the locations of mobs not in line-of-sight or allow them to be targeted. Software that initiates actions without player interaction. Ex.: Programs that automate the crafting process. Hardware or software that makes a character act (eg.

Casting a spell over and over) without the player having to press keys. 'Botting' software. I'd say a good touchstone is this: if I leave the keyboard for an extended period, will my character continue to play? If it will, then the software or whatever you're using probably violates the TOS even if you don't actually leave the keyboard. Of course, on the other hand if you're there to respond to GMs it may be more difficult for them to get the evidence they need to ding you.

Not impossible, though. Remember, the game client can see everything on your machine and the standard of evidence isn't '100% iron-clad, incontrovertible and undeniable' but 'enough to convince the CS manager you really were caught'. If SOE monitors game activities and discovers that your account is one of many exihibiting a bot signature activity over a prolonged time, you're going to have a heck of a time convincing SOE that you were present at your keyboard during all those times when they decide to ban the accounts of the folks using that bot software.

This would be particularly so if you just happened to miss a tell at the wrong time when a GM decided to check on you. As to the question of whether use of a 3rd party item that would allow unattended play, even though you are not using it to play unattended, I personally would leave to the lawyers and just steer way clear of. Considering I know people who played SOE games (not EQII specifically but others) who were banned and actually were NOT doing anything illegal, I can tell you they (CS, Reps, whomever) don't necessarily talk to you at all first before taking action from suspected activity. I also know other people who Bot (in other games.) but stay at their computer ready to respond to questions/tells/prods from anyone - because its a way to 'show' that you're 'not' botting.

Which is why I think people are saying 'use a bot but attend your computer' as its a way to effectively allow yourself to bot but pepole won't think you are because you're.sitting there responding. Most botters who actually get CAUGHT are those who walk away from their computer and aren't around to respond to other players, GMs, etc (ok not counting programs that companies run in the background to find botting programs on your system.) Eh to me tha'ts pretty stupid - as its pretty obvious to spot a botting person (in adventuring either, not sure I could spot them crafting heh) - but people do it. Any form of automated gameplay is ruled out by pretty much every EULA across the board - but by sitting at your computer and responding is a way to.get around being caught. Not foolproof but.it does work. However, even doing nothing wrong at all - but behaving in a suspicious manner (say giving a friend a crapton of plat or something.) - can get you banned without a word.

Don't always assume you'll get a conversation before a ban. Sometimes all you get is an email after the fact.good luck on appeal!

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I think the key clause is, 'to gain benefits from unattended game play'. Not 'can also be used to gain.'

. If I'm attending to the game while massaging my wrists, and a crafting macro is running - I think that's legit. If I get up to get a drink of water, I need to stop the macro, since it'd then be unattended game play. Although SOE probably doesn't have to comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 Title III (EQ2 is not a public accomodation). It makes sense from a PR standpoint to allow 'differently abled' players to enjoy the game. Accordingly, ruling out ALL macro'ing would probably be nonpositive; requiring it be attended makes perfect sense.

In The Court of Public Opinion, can you just imagine the egg on Sony's face if they banned a one-armed vet for attended macro'ing? I can't imagine they'd want to risk that.